The point of this article is to act as a critique of Victor Turner and his notions of liminality. I very much so feel that the way in which Bynum prefaced her article was both strengthening and harmful. Strengthening in the fact that for those who no not of Turner’s theories it give them somewhat of an overview, at least enough where they could grasp the ‘gist’ of the point of the article. I also felt it was a bit harmful to her piece as well though because she sets her self up for a lack of reader support. From the very beginning (and again at the end) seems to knock herself down and come off as though she does not fully back her thoughts and that she can’t really critique Turner because it is something he has eluded to previously. It just (at least for me) made it a weaker argument. Though she made good points, had good ideas, etc. they some-what lose a bit of “umph” due to her … shall we say … timidness? Aside from that, this focus on women as the major symbol of liminality though out history and the need to see with them not just over, around, etc. them. I have always believed that for anything, any idea, belief or understanding that is separate from your own, you must “walk a mile in their shoes” to truly understand what it means for them, how they view life through it, why they do what they do. We can not just look at or observe and assume we know. We cannotgive ourselves that much credit. We learn best from experience so what better then to stand with and experience with? Esp. when looking at the dual between men and women. Men seem to use at their will, women for liminality. With how much they have relied/leaned on women throughout the history of the world, one would think that men and women might understand each other a bit better. But they don’t because they have always, as Bynum discusses, looked at not withwomen. They have separated themselves and for what? Why? Women clearly serve a vital purpose for them, they need them to survive, to go on, so why not try to understand, why not try to stand with? And for women, why not try to make them stand with, or make yourself a part of them (men). Tieing this in to our last class discussion I think we see women more pushing for a standing with males (like our talk about video games). And girls playing the first person shooters that are stereotypically designed for males. We (women) are seeing what its like, testing the waters, experiencing and joining in. And why shouldn’t we?